The friggin shy kite is legal under the class rules if it is not under the minimum size. The allowable size is very small- can't imagine having one smaller. This rule like all the others is enforced by the honor system.

Take your friend sailing when it is not a class race and not a rule violation. I can recall many a fun non race day cruise on your boat myself...

:: Honest:
::
:: I'm open to anything. Even a shy kite (less than mid
:: girth max) because it can be an awesum advantage on a
:: windy reach coming back from the LightShip or Farallons.
:: A BIG ADVANTAGE known to take home many a first place
:: cups.
::
:: No doubt, I'd like to use my specialty ocean sails . . .
:: which do not include either a shy runner or reacher.
::
:: But would like to take my frend who would like to make
:: the race . . .but only has time (with a new job) to make
:: maybe one race a year? Which is his record last year for
:: this one LS race. I'dust like to place him on the boat
:: with everyone else as a sixth.
::
:: And yeah, we'd be overweight. But who in TFCares:-).
::
:: Thats why the weight limit has to be changed in the Fun
:: Series.

:: Because the round the bouy race rules ar not fun in the
:: Fun Series.
::
:: If the fleet allows shy kites . . . I want my sixth
:: person . . .becuase the moments on the boat with the
:: sixth and full kite are probabley about the same as five
:: and a shy kite.
::
:: Mike
::
::
:: :: Shy kites or reachers are the same thing. There is a
:: :: minimum size written in the class rule. A small kite
:: :: conforming to the class rule would be totally legal for
:: :: any event. I would like to see the 'outside the gate'
:: :: sail rules opened up as well. The class is currently
:: :: writing up the procedure for revising the rules and I
:: :: intend to introduce my proposal then.
::
:: :: The class maximum weight should still be followed. I'm
:: :: sure the SI's state that class rules apply to a given
:: :: one design class for OYRA. Certainly it would if you
:: :: want your score to count for the season trophy.
:: :: Otherwise we would all have to sail heavy, have heavy
:: :: designed sails, more lunches, ect...
::
:: :: Will
:: ::
:: :: :: Hi Everyone:
:: :: ::
:: :: :: Desperado is doing LightShip and doublehanded
:: :: :: Farallones.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: I don't have any problem with anyone bringing their
:: :: :: ocean gear. Or shy kite.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: In fact, might I add the question are boats fully
:: :: :: compliant with all the safety gear? Its a lot of extra
:: :: :: weight that can also add inequity reqardless of the
:: :: :: safety requirement.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: I have a sixth crew that wants to go on LightShip does
:: :: :: anyone mind a little extra weight?
:: :: ::
:: :: :: Mike
:: :: ::
:: :: ::
:: :: :: :: From my recollection at the '07 Nationals Skipper's
:: :: :: :: meeting, shykites would be OK for class races scheduled
:: :: :: :: beyond Pt. Bonita, but that specialty kites like
:: :: :: :: reachers would not. Few opinions were that it would lead
:: :: :: :: to a cost prohibitive arms race. Those people wishing to
:: :: :: :: use the specialty kites could still race under their
:: :: :: :: regular PHRF. Is my recollection correct? Help me out
:: :: :: :: here, guys! But yes, nothing as been added to the
:: :: :: :: written rules yet.
:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: Joe B.
:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: Last year was the first time in the 8 years I've done
:: :: :: :: :: the doublehanded Farallones race that the class
:: :: :: :: :: disallowed shykites. It had always been agreed upon that
:: :: :: :: :: outside the gate we could sail with anything allowable
:: :: :: :: :: under PHRF, i.e. shykites, reachers, etc. This
:: :: :: :: :: arrangement was supposed to have been written into the
:: :: :: :: :: rules. I plan on going this year and ,would like to race
:: :: :: :: :: with the class and bring all my ocean equipment.