Mike, I'm focused on the long distance series this year too and would like to guage how badly you beat me based upon 5 on 5 (or 880#). Yes, the safety gear (and recovery practice is very important). Call me if your friend would like to do Lightship on Archimedes.

Joe

:: Hi Will:
::
:: I'll look forward to reading any of your proposals.
::
:: My friends work schedule is such that if he's available,
:: he'd just jump on, subsequently would result in a sixth
:: . . . which I don't mind.
::
:: So my complaint about the fleet rules in the fun series
:: is they don't allow an essential freedom of choice.
:: Which also seem to apply to others who were limitied in
:: their choices for the real fleet series.
::
:: Mike
::
:: :: The friggin shy kite is legal under the class rules if
:: :: it is not under the minimum size. The allowable size is
:: :: very small- can't imagine having one smaller. This rule
:: :: like all the others is enforced by the honor system.
:: ::
:: :: Take your friend sailing when it is not a class race and
:: :: not a rule violation. I can recall many a fun non race
:: :: day cruise on your boat myself...
:: ::
:: :: :: Honest:
:: :: ::
:: :: :: I'm open to anything. Even a shy kite (less than mid
:: :: :: girth max) because it can be an awesum advantage on a
:: :: :: windy reach coming back from the LightShip or Farallons.
:: :: :: A BIG ADVANTAGE known to take home many a first place
:: :: :: cups.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: No doubt, I'd like to use my specialty ocean sails . . .
:: :: :: which do not include either a shy runner or reacher.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: But would like to take my frend who would like to make
:: :: :: the race . . .but only has time (with a new job) to make
:: :: :: maybe one race a year? Which is his record last year for
:: :: :: this one LS race. I'dust like to place him on the boat
:: :: :: with everyone else as a sixth.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: And yeah, we'd be overweight. But who in TFCares:-).
:: :: ::
:: :: :: Thats why the weight limit has to be changed in the Fun
:: :: :: Series.
:: ::
:: :: :: Because the round the bouy race rules ar not fun in the
:: :: :: Fun Series.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: If the fleet allows shy kites . . . I want my sixth
:: :: :: person . . .becuase the moments on the boat with the
:: :: :: sixth and full kite are probabley about the same as five
:: :: :: and a shy kite.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: Mike
:: :: ::
:: :: ::
:: :: :: :: Shy kites or reachers are the same thing. There is a
:: :: :: :: minimum size written in the class rule. A small kite
:: :: :: :: conforming to the class rule would be totally legal for
:: :: :: :: any event. I would like to see the 'outside the gate'
:: :: :: :: sail rules opened up as well. The class is currently
:: :: :: :: writing up the procedure for revising the rules and I
:: :: :: :: intend to introduce my proposal then.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: :: The class maximum weight should still be followed. I'm
:: :: :: :: sure the SI's state that class rules apply to a given
:: :: :: :: one design class for OYRA. Certainly it would if you
:: :: :: :: want your score to count for the season trophy.
:: :: :: :: Otherwise we would all have to sail heavy, have heavy
:: :: :: :: designed sails, more lunches, ect...
:: :: ::
:: :: :: :: Will
:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: Hi Everyone:
:: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: Desperado is doing LightShip and doublehanded
:: :: :: :: :: Farallones.
:: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: I don't have any problem with anyone bringing their
:: :: :: :: :: ocean gear. Or shy kite.
:: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: In fact, might I add the question are boats fully
:: :: :: :: :: compliant with all the safety gear? Its a lot of extra
:: :: :: :: :: weight that can also add inequity reqardless of the
:: :: :: :: :: safety requirement.
:: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: I have a sixth crew that wants to go on LightShip does
:: :: :: :: :: anyone mind a little extra weight?
:: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: Mike
:: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: :: From my recollection at the '07 Nationals Skipper's
:: :: :: :: :: :: meeting, shykites would be OK for class races scheduled
:: :: :: :: :: :: beyond Pt. Bonita, but that specialty kites like
:: :: :: :: :: :: reachers would not. Few opinions were that it would lead
:: :: :: :: :: :: to a cost prohibitive arms race. Those people wishing to
:: :: :: :: :: :: use the specialty kites could still race under their
:: :: :: :: :: :: regular PHRF. Is my recollection correct? Help me out
:: :: :: :: :: :: here, guys! But yes, nothing as been added to the
:: :: :: :: :: :: written rules yet.
:: :: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: :: Joe B.
:: :: :: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: :: :: Last year was the first time in the 8 years I've done
:: :: :: :: :: :: :: the doublehanded Farallones race that the class
:: :: :: :: :: :: :: disallowed shykites. It had always been agreed upon that
:: :: :: :: :: :: :: outside the gate we could sail with anything allowable
:: :: :: :: :: :: :: under PHRF, i.e. shykites, reachers, etc. This
:: :: :: :: :: :: :: arrangement was supposed to have been written into the
:: :: :: :: :: :: :: rules. I plan on going this year and ,would like to race
:: :: :: :: :: :: :: with the class and bring all my ocean equipment.