Delta Ditch Run @ Stockton Sailing Club/Richmond Yacht Club (2012) - Express 27

Delta Ditch Run at Stockton Sailing Club/Richmond Yacht Club

June 2

Story

Norcalsailing report featuring Summer Palace:
http://www.norcalsailing.com/entries/2012/06/05/ditchrun2.html#.T-iWoI2Mfqs

Below quoted from Pressure Drop: Drew Scott was helming a F-28.

"My crew is starting to swing around to pick me up when El Raton, in perfect control slides up beside me and asks if I would like to get picked up. They had already doused their chute and stopped beside me. I took their offer and got back into a boat (trying to stop a lightweight trimaran next to someone when it is blowing in the mid-20s is not easy so I figured I would not turn down El Raton.

My crew ably finished the race on Papillon, only one boat behind El Raton! And I had many adventures with El Raton, but that is their story to tell.

So, a great big thank you to the Ray Lotto and the crew of El Raton for pulling my soggy hide out of Suisun Bay!!

Drew Scott
Papillon (most of the time)"

Result

Pos	Boat	Total	Race 1
1	El Raton	1	1
2	Magic Bus	2	2
3	Peaches	3	3
4	Scandalous	4	4
5	Wile E Coyote	5	5
6	Loose Cannon	6	6
7	Take Five	7	7
8	Ergo	8	8
9	Great White	9	9
10	Libra	10	10
11	Summer Palace	11	11

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Author: Mike Bruzzone ([email protected]) contact the author
Subject: PHRF rating and Penalty poles
Info: (26469 views) Posted: Saturday 8-19-06 05:24:43 PM

Chris, thanks for the clarification. I had a kite built for a 9' pole and its slow, especially in the midwinters.

:: It not 150% kite though it 180% of 9ft j length rates
:: 135 or 180% of 9ft 9” rates 129 this is a 10% larger
:: kite seems marginal at best
::
::
:: :: I've found a 150% kite slow and especially in the mid
:: :: winters.
:: ::
:: ::
:: :: ::
:: :: :: Thanks Brendan. Yes your are right are kites are
:: :: :: oversize and would require a new spinnaker in order to
:: :: :: apply for the rating but the rule from PHRF is very
:: :: :: clear on the J length and is publish in the NCPHRF base
:: :: :: rate which is currently being used at some regattas
:: :: :: specifically the High Sierra Regatta this year. The
:: :: :: Local data is base on SF bay sailing but out side of SF
:: :: :: Bay there is very little data (think light air). I guess
:: :: :: the question, is the extra kite size worth six sec a
:: :: :: mile overall.
:: :: ::
:: :: :: PS. congrats on the Pac Cup win!
:: :: ::
:: :: ::
:: :: :: :: I brought this up with YRA once, and was told this
:: :: :: :: penalty is for kite size rather than actual spin pole
:: :: :: :: length (ie, just shortening your pole won't get the 6s
:: :: :: :: reduction). I forget the actual details, but suffice it
:: :: :: :: to say that getting a stock E27 rating changed will be
:: :: :: :: difficult, as there is a lot of local data on the
:: :: :: :: performance of these boats. The PHRF committee tends to
:: :: :: :: take a dim view on modifications and will not make it
:: :: :: :: easier to do better on rating than with the current ODR.
:: :: :: ::

:: :: :: :: --brendan

:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: :: Has anyone ever address the fact express 27 is rated in
:: :: :: :: :: PHRF with a penalty pole that mandatory – 6 sec
:: :: :: :: :: deduction. That is a significant change in rating and
:: :: :: :: :: seems worthwhile to consider and that six sec for the
:: :: :: :: :: small amount of extra kite marginal.

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:: 
:: Chris, thanks for the clarification. I had a kite built
:: for a 9' pole and its slow, especially in the
:: midwinters. 
:: 
:: 
:: :: It not 150% kite though it 180% of 9ft j length rates
:: :: 135 or 180% of 9ft 9” rates 129 this is a 10% larger
:: :: kite seems marginal at best 
:: :: 
:: :: 
:: :: :: I've found a 150% kite slow and especially in the mid
:: :: :: winters. 
:: :: :: 
:: :: :: 
:: :: :: :: 
:: :: :: ::  Thanks Brendan. Yes your are right are kites are
:: :: :: :: oversize and would require a new spinnaker in order to
:: :: :: :: apply for the rating but the rule from PHRF is very
:: :: :: :: clear on the J length and is publish in the NCPHRF base
:: :: :: :: rate which is currently being used at some regattas
:: :: :: :: specifically the High Sierra Regatta this year. The
:: :: :: :: Local data is base on SF bay sailing but out side of SF
:: :: :: :: Bay there is very little data (think light air). I guess
:: :: :: :: the question, is the extra kite size worth six sec a
:: :: :: :: mile overall. 
:: :: :: :: 
:: :: :: :: PS. congrats on the Pac Cup win! 
:: :: :: :: 
:: :: :: :: 
:: :: :: :: :: I brought this up with YRA once, and was told this
:: :: :: :: :: penalty is for kite size rather than actual spin pole
:: :: :: :: :: length (ie, just shortening your pole won't get the 6s
:: :: :: :: :: reduction). I forget the actual details, but suffice it
:: :: :: :: :: to say that getting a stock E27 rating changed will be
:: :: :: :: :: difficult, as there is a lot of local data on the
:: :: :: :: :: performance of these boats. The PHRF committee tends to
:: :: :: :: :: take a dim view on modifications and will not make it
:: :: :: :: :: easier to do better on rating than with the current ODR. 
:: :: :: :: :: 
:: :: :: :: :: --brendan
:: :: :: :: :: 
:: :: :: :: :: 
:: :: :: :: :: :: Has anyone ever address the fact express 27 is rated in
:: :: :: :: :: :: PHRF with a penalty pole that mandatory – 6 sec
:: :: :: :: :: :: deduction. That is a significant change in rating and
:: :: :: :: :: :: seems worthwhile to consider and that six sec for the
:: :: :: :: :: :: small amount of extra kite marginal.