Delta Ditch Run at Stockton Sailing Club/Richmond Yacht ClubJune 2
Story
Norcalsailing report featuring Summer Palace:
http://www.norcalsailing.com/entries/2012/06/05/ditchrun2.html#.T-iWoI2Mfqs

Below quoted from Pressure Drop: Drew Scott was helming a F-28.

"My crew is starting to swing around to pick me up when El Raton, in perfect control slides up beside me and asks if I would like to get picked up. They had already doused their chute and stopped beside me. I took their offer and got back into a boat (trying to stop a lightweight trimaran next to someone when it is blowing in the mid-20s is not easy so I figured I would not turn down El Raton.

My crew ably finished the race on Papillon, only one boat behind El Raton! And I had many adventures with El Raton, but that is their story to tell.

So, a great big thank you to the Ray Lotto and the crew of El Raton for pulling my soggy hide out of Suisun Bay!!

Drew Scott
Papillon (most of the time)"
Result
PosBoatTotalRace 1
1El Raton11
2Magic Bus22
3Peaches33
4Scandalous44
5Wile E Coyote55
6Loose Cannon66
7Take Five77
8Ergo88
9Great White99
10Libra1010
11Summer Palace1111
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Author: Ralph Deeds
Subject: Stability when climbing the mast
Info: (13096 views) Posted: Thursday 7-11-13 12:48:33 PM
We usually send somebody up using the club's gin pole or somebody who is light with an extra halyard.

:: Thanks for the reply Bryan.
::
:: So you are saying that even with the boat on the
:: trailer, the rigger ran the halyards off to the sides
:: and tied them off to things? That seems extreme...I
:: would not have given it a second thought on the trailer,
:: but we can presume he knows what can happen.
::
:: I've been up the mast on many many boats and this was
:: the first time I've felt one start to go over - could
:: have been luck to date though.
::
:: Would love to hear any other experiences.
::
:: :: not sure if i did it right but i recently calculated
:: :: that my 180 lbs at the top of the mast would flip the
:: :: boat at the dock if the angle of heal exceeded... what
:: :: was it... 15 degrees?
:: ::
:: :: a rigger that i had re-run a halyard recently requested
:: :: the boat be on the trailer and even on dry land he took
:: :: every available halyard and used them to brace the mast.
:: :: he mentioned that he does the same if the boat is in the
:: :: water too but its more complicated.
:: ::
:: :: :: Just some quick math would say your 160 pounds is
:: :: :: offsetting the keels lever arm somewhere around 20 feet
:: :: :: off the water. Above that you're relying on the form
:: :: :: stability of the hull, so 'yes', all the way up the rig
:: :: :: should get real squirrelly! That presumes the center of
:: :: :: the 1100 pound ballast is about 3 feet under water (3300
:: :: :: ft lb of potential leverage). I know it's a LOT more
:: :: :: complex than a seesaw, but at the top of the rig your
:: :: :: lever for that 160 pounds is probably around 28 feet
:: :: :: above the water (over 4400 pounds).
:: :: ::
:: :: :: :: I went up the Express 27 mast not long ago and had a
:: :: :: :: somewhat scary experience.
:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: I weigh 160, and at the time there was a 200 lbs guy on
:: :: :: :: deck with the boat tied to the dock. I was at the top of
:: :: :: :: the mast doing some work and the guy on deck stepped to
:: :: :: :: the rail to do something. The boat started heeling
:: :: :: :: pretty extremely and truly felt like it was going to to
:: :: :: :: roll all the way over until guy on deck jumped to the
:: :: :: :: other rail to stabilize the boat.
:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: Would the boat really roll over like it felt it might?
:: :: :: :: Any experience with sending people up the mast on this
:: :: :: :: boat and how much weight is too much?
:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: We plan to go up the mast fairly frequently with the new
:: :: :: :: offshore rules for mounting and removing the masthead
:: :: :: :: VHF when doing offshore races, not to mention if we ever
:: :: :: :: had a problem and needed to ascend the mast while on the
:: :: :: :: water.
:: :: :: ::
:: :: :: :: I'm wondering what is safe?
:: :: :: ::

:: :: :: :: -dan
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